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A book?! :-o Heh. My fu is not that strong. Maybe when I am in the later
stages of an advanced degree?

One thing to point out with computer security and books:

You will often not find books that speak of popular issues in computer
security, which remain popular for very long. Obselesence in the computer
security world (exploit, measure, counter measure, counter-counter
measure) is a moving target. By the time such a book is written, it is
obsolete. :-/  (Such books are equitable to fad-based fiction that are
here today, popular for a while, and then later viewed with a
chronocentric perspective with statements like, "what was he/she

Better books in computer security have been written. They often take a
general approach. Such books are more like text-books. These books do not
cover specifics so much as they cover fundamentals. These books permit the
reader(s) to apply the fundamentals to their specific problem(s). Since
many of these books  presently provide adequate to excellent computer
security information, it would be difficult to try to write YAB in this
area. (Think that whole, "ground of contention," thing as discussed in the

These kinds of things are best offered in seminar, presentation, or
dated-courses. Sometimes such work can be presented in white-papers online
so that the content can remain nearly as dynamic as changes in focus in
computer security, but vigilance is required.

Counter to all of the above... If such a book were written, I would
probably read it when it was new. (heh heh)


John Mark Walker said:
> Speaking as the resident publisher on this list, I smell a book. Anybody
> interested? Such as the person I'm responding to? :@)
> -JM
> On Sunday 10 August 2003 12:48, ME wrote:
>> Heh. :-)
>> I plan to eventually do a 2 or 3 part talk for NBLUG on System Security,
>> but I need to finish my degree first. (?Maybe 2005?)
>> Of course there are some problems:
>> #1: I sold my car to fund going back to school to finish my degree
>> #2: I am working and going to school full time, and don't have much time
>> #3: I will be applying to grad school around this time
>> I am looking at a few schools so far. If one of the schools is Davis, I
>> might be moving out there. (BTW, LUGOD is one of the bigger
>> non-university
>> reasons for including UC Davis at such an important point on my list.
>> Knowing that I may never get around to do this, if I eventually did it,
>> this is what I might do:
>> * Network Security    : Sniffers, Protocols, Services
>> * System Security     : Local access and priv escalation, hiding data,
>>                          kernel patches (their costs and benefits)
>> * Progamming security : How to write code to avoid race conditions,
>> buffer
>>                          over-runs, and bad assumptions
>> What I would like to do is take a "stock Linux install" and then
>> demonstrate how users might gain access to stuff they should not. Then
>> show counter-measures, and then counter-counter mesasures etc. (Meant to
>> show that security is an on-going issue, and to show "making something
>> secure" is a *limit* that we try to achieve, but not something we can
>> truely achieve.)
>> I figure three 1.5 hour presentations could provide enough of the basics
>> to help people start adding more security to their systems.
>> What the presentation would not be:
>> * A "how to secure *your* system. (general "your".)
>> * A demonstration of system hacking (only a few samples of cracking;
>>     the "hacking" takes much more time with analysis and review.)
>> * A "see-all, do all, and end-all" to what is secure and what is not.
>> It would be more like, "These are some things you should really pay
>> attention to" but that does not mean "anything else is not important."
>> Who knows? Maybe I might become a local member to LUGOD some day... :-)
>> (I welcome any introductions to professors or students in the Advanced
>> degree programs for CS at Davis. I'd like to learn more about what
>> people
>> think about it.)
>> -ME
>> Bill Kendrick said:
>> > On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 08:48:46AM -0700, ME wrote:
>> >> On some of my servers, I setup a special web page that was available
>> via
>> >> htaccess authenticated https that permitted me to open up a hole in
>> the
>> >> firewall rules for the IP address from which I was connecting.
>> >
>> > Mike... I smell a talk. ;)  Wanna do one at LUGOD on stuff like this?
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