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Re: [vox] OS/2 and Linux, why has IBM changed?
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Re: [vox] OS/2 and Linux, why has IBM changed?

Don Werve said:
> On Fri, May 09, 2003 at 08:39:47AM -0700, Eric D. Pierce wrote:
>> >
>> > [1] This actually goes against capitalist ideals; e.g., the 'ideal'
>> >     capitalist wants his products to stand on their own merits -- if
>> he needs to use force to promote them, then he deserves to be
>> kicked out of the marketplace.
>> See John Locke (17th century english philosopher) on
>> "Natural Law" and "Property Rights".
>> The philosophical foundation of the USA constitution was
>> mainly derived from Locke's work.
> I'm quite aware of that,

ah, excellent.

>although I don't recall making any statements
> about the constitution. *grin*

it was a contextualizing/exploratorial reference only. :)

>> Monopolists are basically trying to reverse the social
>> evolution towards "higher order" consciousness, compassion,
>> democracy, property rights, and so forth, and recreate some
>> elements of mercantilist economic system (like a corrupt
>> aristocracy).
> Monopolists want an oligarchy, where

My understanding is that Locke's "Natural Law" was proposed directly in
contrast to the "Divine Right of Kings".


Category terminology aside, any system where arbitrary heirarchy is
socially imposed, especially in service of "lower order" values
(ego/selfishness), is non-adaptive (unjust), and against the evolutionary
interests of the species.

Historically/traditionally the eccleasiastic elites controlled
thought/belief, and the aristocracy/oligarchy/whatever controlled
political, police/military and economic power.

Democracy and capitalism are products of broadly literate, entrepeneurial,
middle class society, something that is fairly recent in human history.

>> In other words, it is hard to imagine that any penalties
>> against monopolistic business practices could be overly
>> harsh.
> I disagree there; the entire point of market regulation is to keep the
> so-called playing field as level as possible.

Sorry, by really "overly harsh", I was thinking of Oliver Cromwell and his
Whig radicals romping through the english countryside (english civil war,
1640s?) cutting the off heads of  landed aristocracy who were resistant to
democratic/capitalist reform!

Thus, the goal in
> punishing a monopolist is to do two things:


Agreed. Excellent observations.

In my opinion, MS' attempts to label open-source as "communist" was
bizarre, but instructive of the relationship between power and the kind of
arrogance contribute to the erosion of the foundations of democracy.


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