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Re: [vox] ucsb outlaws win2k and NT 4.0 from its resnet
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Re: [vox] ucsb outlaws win2k and NT 4.0 from its resnet



On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 11:02:53AM -0700, Tom wrote:
> 1) Dorms at UCD are ~$2,000 / quarter.
> 	So that's roughly $650 / month.
> 	Rent with a roommate is roughly $350 / month.
> 	$100 / month for utilities.
> 	So $200 / month for DC food and an Internet connection.

How about costs for parking your car, is that included?
And $200/month for food? even 1 meal/day that is not bad at about
$7/meal
And then there is the cost for being really close to campus - prices for
houses closer to campus are often higher. Berkeley run at about about
$1000/person/month near the uni, but that is Berkeley.

> 2) $1 setup fee isn't bad, unless they intend to:
> 	A) Rate limit my connection
> 	B) NAT me
> 	C) Filter incoming connections
> 	Then I wouldn't even pay a $1 for it.

Some access is better than none, and it is possible to do IP over UDP
and be "connectionless." TCP based arbitraion with a 3rd party that is
"really on the internet" can also be done even if two other parties
wishing to talk are both behind restrictive firewalls - including
staeful firewalls. (TCP arbit is theory AFAIK, and nothing has yet been
built. This is not the same as VPN, as the 3rd part is only needed for
the setup and nothing more.)

> -Tom
> 
> BTW, UCSB has awful bandwidth in the dorms (relatively speaking).
> 80 KB / sec from UCD -> UCSB.  A CD every two hours... Ok that's not so bad 
> :).  But on DSL at home I get 150 KB / sec.

Yeah, I think ours get about 180-200KB/sec to off campus locations if
they are "close" to the uni. Of course, this 180-200KB/sec drops when 1
or more users is running a DDoS without their knowledge.

> On Thursday 03 October 2002 10:36, dugan@passwall.com wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 10:13:00AM -0700, Bill Kendrick wrote:
> > > On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 09:26:04AM -0700, dugan@passwall.com wrote:
> > > > Here, I would go one step further in the line of the BOFH, and have a
> > > > function that is linear at least, or exponential at best.
> > > > Say, "Deposit=$100(incident)" or "Deposit=$10^(incident)"
> > >
> > > Does this mean that if you have no incidents, you still owe $1?  ;^)
> >
> > Hmm. a $1 hookup fee? Not a bad deal. PacBell charges much, much more,
> > and monthly fees to boot. Students in dorms on campus get equiv of T1
> > speed (or faster, depending) without monthly fees for network service
> > like I must pay from my home.
> >
> > Of course, I would agre about the $1 fee if it went into *my* pocket.
> > Perhaps I will suggest that at the next meeting and see how far I can
> > run with it. :-D
> >
> > -ME
> >
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