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Re: [vox] Keepin' my box cool

So price it out, already.  With specific references to sources, 
please.  You originally claimed a $45 difference.  Now your
mystery drives (18G?) seem to be $165 (vs. my $70 for ATA100)
and your controller is $71 ($189?).  I'm curious to see where 
this will end up.

Re 80 MBps vs. 160 -- sustained transfer rate is not all there 
is to performance.  Some of us care about latency.

-- Rod

On Saturday 13 July 2002 06:23 pm, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Rod Roark (rod@sunsetsystems.com):
> > Regarding "shopping lessons":  Here's wholesale pricing from
> > one of my distributors:
> >
> >   ------------- SCSI --------------    -------------IDE -------------
> >
> >   2 IBM 36G U160 Drives:       $560    2 IBM 40G ATA100 Drives:  $140
> >   Adaptec 19160 U160 Card:      222
> >                                ====                              ====
> >   Total                        $782                              $140
> >
> > This stuff is typical of what's in the sales channels right now.
> > None of my clients ask for older SCSI drives, and you're not
> > going to get U160 out of a $45 SCSI adapter.  I guess you can do
> > better on ebay but that's not an option for me.
> Gee, I'm sorry _you_ can't find reasonable-quality $165 *RETAIL*
> current-production SCSI hard drives.  Try shopping lessons.
> Unless you're having too much fun stacking decks.
> And please remind me of why you need FAST80 (so-called "Ultra160")
> without the ability to saturate half that.  Though I have to confess
> I misread the on-line listings.  Should have been $71, not $45 (Tekram
> DC-395UW).  If you want to be absolutely dead-certain of never being
> able to saturate it (and thus are future-proofed -- see next paragraph),
> it's $189 for a DC-390U3W.
> I don't often look up prices of host adapters, because of course --
> _still_ not being a complete idiot -- I make a point of favouring parts
> that can be usefully recycled through multiple generations of machines.
> > Regarding "bigger than you can fill": It's not hard for someone
> > who likes to multi-boot a bunch of different operating systems
> > to fill one of these up.
> Yes, some people go through that phase.  And the pr0n, Farscape
> episodes, and mp3s.  3Ware sells a lot of Escalades to the latter folk.
> > Regarding "bigger than you can economically back up": One drive
> > backs up the other.
> After your shopping lessons, you're going to have to look up what
> "backup" means.
> > Regarding DOS: Eh?
> Funny, you don't _look_ Canadian.
> If you don't bother using multitasking, multithreading, and multiuser,
> and thus can't see any performance advantage from properly designed I/O
> buses, you might just be a DOS user.

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