Re: [vox] [OT] we got spammed by a politician
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Re: [vox] [OT] we got spammed by a politician
Your post said:
> > Who
> > made more money for the energy industry. I bet it was
> > Gray Davis' decision to involve the state in the energy
> > commodities business using energy insiders to "help"
> > him out. We will be paying for Gray's mismanagement
> > for over 30 years in higher energy bills.
> that's pretty misinformed, joel. i thought you knew this topic better than
> that. the mess actually started with pete wilson.
Hmmm... Ok. I retract that you didn't check your facts.
You just failed to address the point of my post by bring
up the long dead signing of the reregulation bill something
that the list of people at fault includes Wilson, the
legislature of the time, and the state government since
then. The error in your post is that you imply that I am
misinformed for blaming the Governor for his mismanagement
of the energy situation. You admit to that point in your
post. I think that given that you would have to agree that
Gray Davis is a horrible leader and should not be the
Governor after the next election. That was the point.
The problem is one of crisis management. Gray Davis was
presented with a crisis and showed absolutely no leadership.
He vacillated on making the tough necessary decisions until it
was too late. If he would have made the unpopular decision
to raise rates earlier, he would have been politically attacked,
but it would have been the right long term decision. Instead he
stuck his head in the sand and hoped the problem would magically
go away. Fat chance... It got worse.
Public officials need to show leadership when presented with
a crisis. I give the governor an "F" for his handling of
the situation that he inherited.
The governor had to play the cards that were dealt him. If
the deregulation bill was that much of a problem that the
Democrats had to hold their noses to vote for it, why didn't
they change the legislation when Pete Wilson was no longer
governor. They have both houses and a Democratic governor.
If something was broken why didn't they fix it then?
My original post is quoted above. I think that the actions
of the previous administration are irrelevant because Gray
Davis did not take any steps to correct the problem. To blame
Pete Wilson for this mess is logical. He signed the
reregulation bill, but not one Democrat voted against it I
don't see how it matters that the assembly was "barely"
Democratic. Is that like being sort of pregnant?. I think
that there is plenty of blame to go around for the law that
provided the environment for this problem, but my original
thesis is that "Gray's mismanagement" probably enriched the
pockets of the energy industry. I think that that thesis
is proven out each time California sells energy for $1 when
it paid $138 for it. Davis got things reversed... It is
supposed to be buy low sell high not the other way around.
Tell you what, I won't vote for Pete Wilson, if you don't vote
for Gray Davis :-).
On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 01:39:50AM -0800, Peter Jay Salzman wrote:
> begin Joel Baumert <email@example.com>
> > On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 11:06:24PM -0800, Peter Jay Salzman wrote:
> > > begin Joel Baumert <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> > >
> > And what does that have to do with anything? Two points. First
> > Wilson had a Democratic Assembly from what I remember voted
> > unanimously for the so called "deregulation" bill.
> my post said:
> % the democrats had their hands tied. they just barely controlled
> % the votes in the house, but wilson made it clear that he'd veto
> % anything that was too different from his PUC commission's
> % framework.
> yes, i said the house was barely democratic.
> the house voted unanimously for the 1996 deregulation bill. i said that too.
> they voted unanimously on a bill written and sponsored by pete wilson.
> * tons of well known (and mostly irrelevent) stuff deleted *
> you don't need to explain what happened. you won't find many people as up on
> news and politics as i am.
> my main thesis was that the current mess we're in started with pete wilson
> and a republican PUC. you wrote 120 lines, mostly an irrelevent description
> of what happened. but you never attacked this thesis. if you agree with it,
> then put a sock in it and let's get back to work. :-)
> but at the very end of 120 lines i see...
> > Is Davis responsible for the re-regulation bill? Probably not,
> > The governor badly mismanaged this situation by sitting on his
> > hands blustering, but not doing what really need to be done.
> also bingo.
> > I think that you should spend a couple of days outside of the
> > university and do a little fact checking yourself :-).
> uhhh.... precisely what facts of mine were wrong?
> you just agreed with my main two theses....
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