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Re: [vox] Fwd: Bill on the radio!
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Re: [vox] Fwd: Bill on the radio!

I have linux on my laptop. I bring it to school ( DHS not UCD ) to avoid 
using the G4 that liked to crash twice a day I'd been using in my networking 
class, and to type the odd written assignment I have (I can't write much more 
then notes without getting a cramp for some reason.) Occasionally I take it 
out in random other classes to put my assignments in korginizer so that I 
will actually do them. Today I pulled it out in chem to screw around with the 
gimp and someone mentioned they'd heard linux was more stable then 
that-other-os and I replied that linux had just crashed for the first time ( 
although I do sometimes have to reboot because of flaky hardware) since I'd 
installed it in June. A few other students just looked at me dumbfounded and 
one girl muttered 'my windows crashes like every day....'

The culprit in the crash, BTW, was a corrupt FAT12 floppy someone had been 
using in a mac that I was trying to repair ( the file identification forks of 
his files had gotten zapped and the program used to create them was unable to 
open the raw files. ). There were some files that were maked as being like 3 
gigs in size, and when i tried to delete one the whole system just froze. :/

On Wednesday, December 05 2001 08:34 pm, you wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Dec 2001, Ryan wrote:
> > You can listen to the live stream with xmms/winamp/any-decent-mp3-player
> > by connecting to http://kdvs.org:8000
> And after all that, Bill _was_ on the radio. :)
> ... and now, some rambling...
> The question of simplicity was a fair one, I think.  I liked Bill's
> response, too, regarding the need for a support community for all
> operating systems.  However, when you honestly look at how
> non-computerphiles regard computers, they are very sheep-like, and the
> people they know use Windows, so they use Windows.  That is their support
> community.
> Almost universally, Linux users are willing to use the internet as their
> support community, and tend to be literate enough to ask questions in
> writing and search for the answers they need with search engines.  There
> is a chasm between people who are not comfortable with the internet, or
> only have clicked on a few pages in a web browser, versus people who can
> compose their thoughts in writing _and use to the Net even when their
> problem is with their computer_.  When advocating Linux you can't write
> these people off... but you have to keep in mind that they do buy
> computers.
> My neighbor couldn't figure out how to get going on his newly acquired Mac
> Plus the other day. (He didn't have the keyboard plugged in.)
> Folders/directories are a mystery... he nods his head, but cannot find the
> file he has saved. He needs a support community, though I think he is
> somewhat embarrassed that he does, and he is willing to believe promises
> that the computer he uses will be easy to use.  We know all computers
> require basic skills but that there is more than one way to do something
> (like delete a file). Is it really more intuitive to click on an icon,
> move it across the screen while holding the mouse button, and release it
> on the trash icon, than to type "rm myfile.doc"?  (How about unmounting a
> disk? Drag the disk icon... ;)  No, people are willing to believe it is
> true because they aren't used to using keyboards, much less littering
> their memory with acronyms that don't make sense at first, if ever.  The
> value of "grep" in their world is... dim.  And the value of the Internet
> to them is... minimal.  So their meatworld contacts have to support them.
> When these people's friends all use Linux, they will use Linux.  Just keep
> in mind that the friends in most cases are only marginally more computer
> literate than they are, so appeals to "power" and "control" and "reprogram
> it if you don't like it" will miss the mark.  All those things are true,
> but when Melissa says it is easy to use as long as someone is around to
> make it work, that is closer to the important truth.  Even power users
> rely on experienced programmers who are familiar with particular source
> code to fix problems, simply because there is too much to do to fix
> everything themselves.
> Convincing the user who doesn't want to be a system adminstrator to learn
> _very_ basic sysadmin skills without making a big deal about it is a key,
> and programs that lead the "novice" (advanced from my neighbor's point of
> view) through these tasks (preferably while giving them an opportunity to
> see what their point-and-clicks are doing) will be critical to fooling
> them into learning more than they intended to.  They can then informally
> support their friends. But until then, the target should be somewhere
> below the "power users" and above my neighbor.
> I think that when people start seeing Linux in their business environment,
> we will make progress with the not-quite-power users.  An advantage of
> that environment is that it is more likely to have managed computers, so
> people will learn to like Linux/Unix without causing themselves headaches
> just trying to get past gaps in their experience.
> Absent that, getting people to admit that they all need a support
> community, and showing them that Linux is no more difficult to USE than
> Windows or the Mac, are the important points.  It sounded to me like the
> host was not too enamoured with the idea of "tweaking" the computer, and
> was like most people who want to feel like they can accomplish tasks using
> the computer that are meaningful beyond the computer itself, without being
> a "computer expert" to make it happen.  That a minimum level of competence
> is required... well, that is what friends are for, right?
> Bravo, Melissa! I think you did great.  Now how many of the six
> listeners were LUGOD members? ;)
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