RE: [vox] Debian and ISO's in general

[Steven Peck <speck@blkmMAPStn.org>]

I think that the non-US disks contain code developed OUTSIDE the US.  ie,
the encryption stuff, so that it can legally be distributed outside the US.
Inside too probably.

Stupid corporate/government opposition to enryption.

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Steven Peck                   speck@blkmtn.org 
Sacramento, CA          http://leaf.blkmtn.org


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark K. Kim [mailto:markslist@cbreak.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 3:55 PM
> To: vox@franz.mother.com
> Subject: Re: [vox] Debian and ISO's in general
> 
> 
> That still makes no sense.  If the non-us disks contain 
> information that
> cannot be exported outside of us, then theoretically it 
> should never get
> to the outside of us therefore never be distributable outside of
> us.  Therefore, at least officially, they should name it "us-only".
> 
> This is almost as confusing as FreeBSD's "stable" and "release" naming
> scheme... actually, I think it's worse!
> 
> -Mark (disappointed at debian...)
> 
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Peter Jay Salzman wrote:
> 
> > begin: Foo Lim <fwlim@ucdavis.edu> quote
> > > So the non-us is for US?  that seems backward in a way.
> >  
> > yeah, i totally agree.  i guess the idea is that "this is 
> the disk that you
> > can freely distribute only if you're outside the USA".   
> hence, non-us.
> > 
> > from the point of view of the developers, not the users.
> > 
> > pete
> > 
> >  
> > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Peter Jay Salzman wrote:
> > > 
> > > > oh, jeez.   sorry, foo.  i misread your question.
> > > >
> > > > the non-us disk has software that has trade 
> restrictions put into place by
> > > > the US government, which means, crypto stuff.
> > > >
> > > > although the US opened up the export of crypto, i THINK 
> the issue is that
> > > > it's still somewhat restrictred:
> > > >
> > > >    1. only open source operating systems can export 
> crypto.   (hooray!)
> > > >
> > > >    2. it's still restricted from countries that think 
> that placing a bomb on
> > > >        an airliner is the best way to make the world 
> listen to their demands.
> > > >
> > > >    3. it's still restricted to countries that the US 
> govt doesn't like or is
> > > >        trying to marginalize.
> > > >
> > > > even though this software still has restrictions, it's 
> otherwise free, and
> > > > therefore can be placed on the GPL.
> > > >
> > > > anyway, debian decided to make 2 disk-1's.  one disk 
> can be freely exported
> > > > outside of the US (no crypto stuff).  the other can't 
> (crypto stuff).
> > > >
> > > > pete
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > begin: Foo Lim <fwlim@ucdavis.edu> quote
> > > > > I mean what's the diff between the nonus & not nonus?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Peter Jay Salzman wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > begin: Foo Lim <fwlim@ucdavis.edu> quote
> > > > > > > What's the diff?  I read on a page in the debian 
> site that everyone should
> > > > > > > get the non-US disk unless they're distributing, correct?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > what's the diff?  well, the logical conclusion is:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >     don't get debian disks from linuxiso.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i wasn't commenting on everyone - i was commenting 
> on the pepole offering the
> > > > > > iso's.  it appears that the .hu site offers nonus, 
> linuxiso doesn't.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > pete
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Peter Jay Salzman wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > strange --- linuxiso.org seems to be missing 
> the non-US disk (it's
> > > > > > > > disk 1 again, but with non-US stuff).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > or am i missing something?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian/2.2_rev3/i386/
> > > > > > > > binary-i386-1.iso 650,708 KB
> > > > > > > > binary-i386-1_NONUS.iso 662,148 KB
> > > > > > > > binary-i386-2.iso 649,700 KB
> > > > > > > > binary-i386-3.iso 590,798 KB
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > linuxiso
> > > > > > > > debian-2.2 r3-1.iso 635megs
> > > > > > > > debian-2.2 r3-2.iso 635megs
> > > > > > > > debian-2.2 r3-3.iso 577meg
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > pete
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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