Re: [vox] Debian and ISO's in general

["Mark K. Kim" <MAPSmarkslist@cbreak.org>]

That still makes no sense.  If the non-us disks contain information that
cannot be exported outside of us, then theoretically it should never get
to the outside of us therefore never be distributable outside of
us.  Therefore, at least officially, they should name it "us-only".

This is almost as confusing as FreeBSD's "stable" and "release" naming
scheme... actually, I think it's worse!

-Mark (disappointed at debian...)

On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Peter Jay Salzman wrote:

> begin: Foo Lim <fwlim@ucdavis.edu> quote
> > So the non-us is for US?  that seems backward in a way.
>  
> yeah, i totally agree.  i guess the idea is that "this is the disk that you
> can freely distribute only if you're outside the USA".   hence, non-us.
> 
> from the point of view of the developers, not the users.
> 
> pete
> 
>  
> > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Peter Jay Salzman wrote:
> > 
> > > oh, jeez.   sorry, foo.  i misread your question.
> > >
> > > the non-us disk has software that has trade restrictions put into place by
> > > the US government, which means, crypto stuff.
> > >
> > > although the US opened up the export of crypto, i THINK the issue is that
> > > it's still somewhat restrictred:
> > >
> > >    1. only open source operating systems can export crypto.   (hooray!)
> > >
> > >    2. it's still restricted from countries that think that placing a bomb on
> > >        an airliner is the best way to make the world listen to their demands.
> > >
> > >    3. it's still restricted to countries that the US govt doesn't like or is
> > >        trying to marginalize.
> > >
> > > even though this software still has restrictions, it's otherwise free, and
> > > therefore can be placed on the GPL.
> > >
> > > anyway, debian decided to make 2 disk-1's.  one disk can be freely exported
> > > outside of the US (no crypto stuff).  the other can't (crypto stuff).
> > >
> > > pete
> > >
> > >
> > > begin: Foo Lim <fwlim@ucdavis.edu> quote
> > > > I mean what's the diff between the nonus & not nonus?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Peter Jay Salzman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > begin: Foo Lim <fwlim@ucdavis.edu> quote
> > > > > > What's the diff?  I read on a page in the debian site that everyone should
> > > > > > get the non-US disk unless they're distributing, correct?
> > > > >
> > > > > what's the diff?  well, the logical conclusion is:
> > > > >
> > > > >     don't get debian disks from linuxiso.com
> > > > >
> > > > > i wasn't commenting on everyone - i was commenting on the pepole offering the
> > > > > iso's.  it appears that the .hu site offers nonus, linuxiso doesn't.
> > > > >
> > > > > pete
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Peter Jay Salzman wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > strange --- linuxiso.org seems to be missing the non-US disk (it's
> > > > > > > disk 1 again, but with non-US stuff).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > or am i missing something?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian/2.2_rev3/i386/
> > > > > > > binary-i386-1.iso 650,708 KB
> > > > > > > binary-i386-1_NONUS.iso 662,148 KB
> > > > > > > binary-i386-2.iso 649,700 KB
> > > > > > > binary-i386-3.iso 590,798 KB
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > linuxiso
> > > > > > > debian-2.2 r3-1.iso 635megs
> > > > > > > debian-2.2 r3-2.iso 635megs
> > > > > > > debian-2.2 r3-3.iso 577meg
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > pete
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> > >
> > 
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