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I don't appreciate all the humor and/or comments I may
hear at work, or see on a list, but I don't quit my
job or not subscribe to a list based on someone else's
idea of what is humorous. I take it for what it is (or
what I perceive it to be...) and get over it. I think
to blow something like that up, even if it may be in
poor taste (I didn't see it, so I will refrain from
making a judgement) into the deciding factor of
joining the list, or not, and to miss all the *really
good* information, would be... (I'm trying to be
delicate in deference to your strong feelings, which I
do understand and respect, and even agree with, though
that does not preclude other feelings I may have...)
I'll put it this way: I try to take what's good and
appreciate it, and let the other stuff go by the
wayside. I hope you can do the same. It makes life
easier, and I think that there is *a lot* to be gained
from the list. I do appreciate your pointing out
something you have strong feelings about... and agree
that we should all take the time to try to make the
world a better place, whatever that means to each of
us. In this case, perhaps the person posting the
material in question thought he was doing that... ?
Sorry if you were offended (don't know why *I'm*
apologizing, but there you go... for what it's worth.)
--- Debi <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> At 03:40 PM 6/22/01 , Mark K. Kim wrote:
> >Oh man~ we got minors on our list.
> And "we" have women who don't appreciate being
> viewed as objects or
> toys. I've been thinking about joining, but now I
> wonder if this
> organization is for me...
> Here's a page for you,
> Ten Things Men Can Do to End Sexism and Male
> Violence Against Women
> 1. Read about yourself. Read articles, essays, books
> about masculinity,
> gender inequality, and the root causes of sexual
> violence. Educate yourself
> and others about the connections between larger
> social forces and the
> conflicts between individual women and men.
> 2. Understand how your own attitudes and actions
> perpetuate sexism and
> violence, and work toward changing them.
> 3. Confront sexist, racist, homophobic and all other
> bigoted remarks or
> jokes. Boycott comedians such as Andrew Dice Clay
> who verbally assault
> women in their acts. Boo in comedy clubs when male
> comedians tell sexist
> 4. Recognize homophobia and speak out against
> gay-bashing. Discrimination
> against lesbians and gays is a key way in which
> we're all confined in
> restrictive gender roles.
> 5. Don't fund sexism. Don't purchase any magazine,
> rent any video or buy
> any piece of music that portrays women in a sexually
> degrading or violent
> manner. Protest sexism in the media.
> 6. Support candidates for political office who are
> committed to the full
> social, economic and political equality of women.
> Actively oppose
> candidates who are not.
> 7. Support and fight for increased state and federal
> funding for battered
> women's shelters and rape crisis centers. Volunteer
> where men are needed in
> public schools, youth outreach centers and political
> lobby groups.
> 8. Support or propose curriculum changes, at every
> level of the educational
> system, which mandate courses and programs dealing
> with sexism and sexual
> violence. Urge coaches of boys' and men's athletic
> teams to require their
> players to attend workshops and seminars on sexism
> and male violence
> against women.
> 9. Organize or join a group of men, in school, at
> your workplace or among
> friends, to work against sexism and violence.
> 10. Support feminists. Commit yourself to ending
> oppression in all its forms.
> And I'll add 11. Remove that offensive web page.
> Thank you.
> >On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Gabriel Rosa wrote:
> > > hey all,
> > >
> > > so, I thought to myself: if we want more
> members, we need some aggressive
> > > marketing.
> > >
> > > well, here's an idea
> <dumb idea snipped>
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