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Re: [vox-tech] [help@google.com: Re: [#19464334] Searching fordotfiles]



On Thu 13 Jan 05,  1:25 PM, Mark K. Kim <lugod@cbreak.org> said:
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005, Peter Jay Salzman wrote:
> 
> > On Thu 13 Jan 05, 12:42 PM, Mark K. Kim <lugod@cbreak.org> said:
> [quotes trimmed - getting way too long!]
> > > Most dotfile has a corresponding /etc file with same syntax so...
> >
> > Yes, but I don't care about /etc/application/2.1.5/config/.dotfile.  I care
> > about:
> >
> >    .dotfile
> >
> > > should Google allow dotfile searches specifically for unix users but not
> > > their global equivalents?
> >
> > Yes.  Because if anybody wants information on ".vimrc", they'll search for
> > ".vimrc".  If they want to search for /etc/vimrc, they'll search for
> > "vimrc".
> 
> The syntax for /etc/vimrc (or more accurately, /usr/share/vim/.../vimrc)

Why more accurately?

> is same as that of ~/etc/.vimrc.  So why would one be motivated to search
> for .vimrc when one simply wants to find out the syntax of vimrc files in
> general?

Because most people are users who edit .vimrc.  Not administrators who edit
/etc/vimrc.

> In such scenario, the search engine dropping the dot is the
> right behavior.

That, my friend, is called axiomizing an unproven principle.  :)

> The only scenario I can think of where searching
> specifically for ".vimrc" is more desirable over "vimrc" is if "vimrc"
> isn't searchable, making ".vimrc" the more appealing search term, which is
> the case for ".forward" because "forward" is a generic English term.

Good example!  Can you think of any others?

> But let's look at the statistics.  How many dotfiles do you know that
> isn't searchable besides .forward because it conflicts with another, more
> popular or broader, term?  Just go ahead and check your home directory.

.acrobat
.adobe
.audacity
.Audacity
.bidwatcher
.bittornado
.bittorrent
.calendar
.cvs
.ddd
.gnome
.gtk
.hugo
.loki

Many others.

> Knowing this statistics, can a gigantic search engine like Google (or any
> generic search engine) justify making an exception for such class of
> files?

You already know my answer.  I assume that's supposed be rhetorical?

> If Google started making exceptions for everything, it really is going to
> slow it down for everone.

Will it?

   if (serachterm does not have dot as first character)
      go about my normal business

> And remember Google has to make these
> exceptions for the googols of searches it really does to every day.  Each
> exception should be justified, and in my opinion, dotfiles isn't
> justifiable.

Spoil sport!!!

> > > I don't think a generic search engine like Google should be that specific.
> >
> > I'm simply advocating returning searches for "foo" if you ask for "foo".
> > How is that specific?
> 
> Then it should make that exception for every word, not just for dotfiles.

Please justify this statement.

> But as they explained, doing that is too much for Google.

And as Rick explained, that was a boiler plate response.  They fooled you
with a canned response.   :(

> And as I mentioned in an earlier e-mail, making an exception for all words
> with punctuation in front of the word has some problems as well.

And as I explained, I don't care about all words with just any punctuation
in front of them.

> > > It's up to the person doing the search to use the right keywords:
> > >
> > >    forward unix email
> >
> > Perhaps.  Good point.  But "forward unix email" isn't quite what a person
> > searching for information on ".forward" is looking for.  Results can range
> > anywhere from exactly what the person wants to configuring sendmail.
> 
> Yes, but the right query will bring the right page to the top.
 
Maybe.  Maybe not.

Pete

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complicated.  The mind of God appears to be abstract but not complicated.
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