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the rooms we wanted to use were *empty* most of the time.  there were a
number of them, and they were hardly used.  i think the council just
needed a little push to give us our request.

this is about the time richard lowenberg of DCN started talking with
LUGOD.  he actually came to the council meeting with us.  although we
hadn't really done anything with DCN at that time (we have since had a
very good and productive relationship with DCN) he came with us and sat
in our corner.  he even consoled us when we got turned down.  richard
and DCN has been a very good friend to LUGOD.

this is also the time that joel baumert and zworld came to our rescue
with the meeting space at zworld.

i can't say enough good things about joel; to even try would be doomed
to failure.  but i will say this: joel and you (rod) are the two people
who have made some of the biggest differences to LUGOD.

when things got really bad and seemed hopeless, i was ready to give up
and declare LUGOD dead.  rod came through with LUGOD's mailing list and
web hosting.  joel came through with a meeting place when our membership
swelled to 50 and more.

in my heart, i wish there were more we could do for joel, zworld, rod
and sunset systems.  it's safe to say that LUGOD would be a shadow of
what it is right now without these people.

now if i can only find someone to donate a projector...   ;-)


begin Peter Jay Salzman <p@dirac.org> 
> i'll write a piece on this.  i've been meaning to do it for a long time
> now.  the general gist of it is that we had some very good hardware
> donated to the local high school where she works.
> a month or two later we were trying to convince the city of davis to
> give us a room for our meetings.  we wanted someone to be there to say
> "look at what lugod has done.  they're good for the city.  they've done
> all this good stuff for us.  it's in the city's best interest to help
> this fledging group out.  they're doing good work and will be good for
> the city of davis.".
> not only did she not say "yes", she didn't even have the courtesy of
> saying "no".  she simply ignored repeated pleas by bill and i to help us
> out.
> we ended up going to the city council with nobody to vouch that we had
> done anything worthwhile for the city.  she knew the council members.
> she was friends with them.  they would've listened to her.
> in the end, the council denied our request.  things were getting very
> urgent for us because our membership had swelled to about 30 at the
> time, and we were seriously cramped for meeting space at the local pizza
> joint that we were holding meetings at.  it was so bad that we were
> getting ready to start telling people NOT to come to our meetings
> because we simply didn't have room for everyone.
> that had really hurt us.  especially after the hardware donations from
> VA Linux that we had arranged.
> there were other things too.
> we figured that after the hardware donations we'd have people go to the
> local highschool and have "after school" classes on things like system
> administration, networking, and programming.  we'd have people come to
> give classes, talks and help students become acquainted with linux and
> the kinds of fun stuff that you can do with linux.  we were really
> looking forward to it, since a high school is a perfect venue for that
> kind of thing.  it was really good linux advocacy, which is what lugod
> does best.
> in the end, we got some really good members from the high school like
> ryan and gabe.  but frankly, ryan and gabe would be special people
> whether lugod existed or not.  some people are just like that.  we had
> wanted to reach the people who may not have had the fortune of getting
> to know linux.  the potential for new members and new converts to linux
> from microsoft was vast.  we were totally optimistic: bigger meeting
> room, high quality people from the highschool and a huge influx of new
> linux converts.
> before the hardware donations, she loved the idea and seemed totally
> excited about it.   after the donations, she sent one or two emails
> about the idea and then ignored all other contact we made with her.
> there were other things too.
> then there were reports that people were denied access to the machines
> that were donated.  i don't know the details, but there were concerns
> raised over who was getting access to the hardware and for what
> purposes.  we wanted shell accounts for everyone so people could play
> with linux.  maybe a webserver to help teach people how to admin apache
> installations.  we never intended the machines to be used by a small
> select group of people.  linux isn't about "special groups of people",
> and neither is education.
> again, we tried to contact her to find out what was happening.  again,
> she didn't even have the courtesy to reply.  dead silence.  even if our
> concerns were groundless, i don't think we deserved to be ignored.
> there were other things too.
> anyway, this is starting to become the piece i was intending to write.
> i'll just end it here and write the story up in the next few days.  i'll
> email the list when i'm done.
> i don't think any one person has ignored as many of my emails as janet
> meizel.  she was our best friend before the donations and wanted to have
> nothing to do with us after the donations.
> that's why i find it ironic that she had requested lert service.
> pete
> begin Rod Roark <rod@sunsetsystems.com> 
> > Why did LUGOD need her?  What did she do?
> > 
> > -- Rod
> > 
> > On Thursday 05 December 2002 10:15 am, Peter Jay Salzman wrote:
> > > nobody has treated LUGOD worse than janet meizel.  she totally snubbed
> > > us when we needed her most.
> > >
> > > she backstabbed LUGOD, a non-profit organization that gets computers
> > > donated to the local highschool and tons of modern computer books to an
> > > aging public library...it's shameful.
> > >
> > > i find it funny she asked for LERT assistance.  the woman has balls,
> > > that's for sure.
> > 
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